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Wings Over Scotland

8 Days Later

Posted on February 14, 2013 by

We were pretty stunned after the first 24 hours of our fundraising project, and we’re barely any less dumbfounded after another week.


With £1,673 in “off-site” donations from people who couldn’t get on with Indiegogo or PayPal for one reason or another, our running total with 40 days still remaining is a staggering £14,301 – that’s 48% of the target in just 16% of the time. (Just £597 short of the halfway mark at the time of writing this post.)

While donations to projects like this always slow dramatically after the launch, almost a third of that total has come in since Day 2, which is incredible. We’ve already spent a slice of the cash on some new super-high-quality and extra-secure hosting to cope with the rocketing traffic, and we’re currently in the process of lugging everything over to its shiny new “official” address at

(We’ll let you know when it’s active, though old links will continue to work for ages.)

But it’s only half-time, and the game isn’t won yet.

We’re already doing better than most similar ventures – as a rule of thumb you can only expect one user in 100 to open their wallets even when you’re only asking for £1, and we’ve already had 1.6% of our readers contribute something, which is actually good going. Every single one is appreciated, from the ones who could only spare that solitary quid to those who’ve gone (sometimes very far) over and above the call of duty.

Nevertheless, that still means 98.4% of the people who come to the site, most of whom do so regularly (over 80% of the users tracked by Google Analytics are recurring visitors) haven’t thus far been prepared to put up a single one-off donation of £1 to keep it going and build on its work to date.

Statistically, the overwhelming probability is that that means you, reader.

So come on, be a sport. It’s not even HALF a cup of coffee. Let’s do this.


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  1. Doug Daniel says:

    “We’ve already spent a slice of the cash on some new super-high-quality and extra-secure hosting to cope with the rocketing traffic”
    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssssssssssssssssssssss miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin.
    If you hadn’t had the fundraiser, I was about one server outage away from offering to pay for a new hosting package myself.
    Ace cartoon from Chris as per usual. The guy certainly has talent.


  2. Morag says:

    Put the mouth/money interface banner up, why don’t you?  :)


  3. David McCann says:

    Im off to Facebook again to post for more! With close to 1000 ‘friends’ surely some results!!
    Keep it up.


  4. Baheid says:

    I have already donated and will again, but it registers under my proper name.
    Honest guv 


  5. muttley79 says:

    I will donate again as well later on.  Will let other people make their own contributions before.  Nearly 50% there already is excellent though. 


  6. cath says:

    “We’ve already spent a slice of the cash on some new super-high-quality and extra-secure hosting to cope with the rocketing traffic””
    Yee-ha! There were a few dodgy days last week when it kept falling over


  7. Inbhir Anainn says:

    Aye cmon guid folks let’s do it for the Rev, dig deep and stump up.  Show your appreciation for one of the most insightful and knowledgeable websites bar none.  Likewise, I have already donated and will do so again.  The pen is mightier than the sword so more power to the Rev’s arm.  Whether it be a £1, £2, £5, £10, £20 or more it all goes to a worthy cause.
    Saor Alba vote YES 2014.


  8. Dramfineday says:

    Made another little contribution  Rev on the back of that cartoon – it was worth that alone. Sent via paypal

    PS should that not have read “we’ll need a bigger gaff”


  9. william pirrie says:

    Glad to say that I am not a statistic and have proudly donated to your site, worth every penny for the high quality analysis and information given. Fully intend to contribute even more when funds permit.


  10. HenBroon says:

    Nuther donation done.
    I have a cracking idea for a cartoon, but cannot do the necessary, I am willing to give the idea to you as I am confident you will love it and use it, need to do it by e-mail though.


  11. EdinScot says:

    Good news Rev so i too will donate again on pay day at end of the month.  I want to help carry it over the finish line and reach its goal.  You deserve to suceed and we deserve a site like this and not the trash that we are subjected to from the Unionist press.  Our country folk deserve the truth.


  12. Dcanmore says:

    Will donate again tomorrow when the wage comes in.


  13. Steve McKay says:

    I have donated and will gladly do so again soon.   But I want to rant a little first…
    I just watched Ed balls being interviewed by Andrew Neil on You Tube.
    I don’t think I have seen a more pathetic pointless display from a politician in a very long time!
    In essence Labours big economic announcement is they will give poor people two quid a week but its not a promise.   It’s an aspiration….
    Sorry for the capital letters but I used to vote for these F*****S
    Rev Stu – I hope you have some kind of analysis planned for the future on Ed’s big idea.   It’s certainly worth a few % points.


  14. The_Duke says:

    I am afraid I am one of the ones that made a contribution “off site”
    Not because I couldnt get through to Indiegogo or Paypal. I was just desperate to make a contribution…. and didnt read it properly. Anyhoo, it got there, 😉
    While I don’t contribute very often, I read this religiously several times a day…  and for that very reason it deserves my monetary support. I do not want to understate this by any means when I say this site keeps me sane.
    Keep up the fantastic work Rev! All the best


  15. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “I just watched Ed balls being interviewed by Andrew Neil on You Tube.”

    Got a link?


  16. Cyborg-nat says:

    Just watched SNP Party Political Broadcast at 6.15 after STV news. Wow!!
    Very professional,very positive and “Go for it” message.


  17. Vronsky says:

    Chartism endured longer in Scotland than in England.  I’ve never known what to make of that.  I’m a wee skinny ghost of Chartism, a silly person who hopes for better and believes it possible.  One of the instruments of Chartism was its industrious creativity, inventing its own newspapers – maybe this internet thing is the Chartism of our time.
    Guess: Rev Stu is a Chartist.  Own up, Rev!


  18. Tris says:

    Like many of the others here, I pleased to say I’m not a statistic. Indeed I think the fund stood at around £70 when I added my contribution.
    I am minded to make a contribution regularly until the job is done.
    I hope some other people will do this too.
    I love the cartoon too.


  19. lumilumi says:

    I donated and will donate some more come next payday because WoS is such good value for money. Instead of trawling various sites, Rev. does it for us, and provides links. Good contributions from guest writers as well, and best of all, a very lively, intelligent BLT, with a sense of humour.


  20. Celyn says:

    Well, to be fair, a lot of us are impecunious enough never to go for pricey coffee in cafés.   (And is coffee good or bad for the health this week?  I can never keep up).     :)
    What works for me, anyway, is knowing that newspapers seem to be >= £1.00 these days, which is silly when one has immediately to chuck half of the paper into the recycle bin.   Pointless death of trees.
    I very seldom buy newspapers now, so I feel I ought to pay up for the news/commentary that I do consume and like.
    So I donated a bit, then decided to subscribe monthly – only a wee bit, but mony a mickle maks a muckle and all that.  And I demand, yes demand, that you feel very honoured, as I usually stick with ad hoc donations to things, being worried about committing to regular payment.

    I did notice that a lot of people were planning to donate at end of month pay day, so I am hopeful your target will be reached.  Quite certain, in fact.

    So what slogans might work?

    – Cheaper than Horseburgers.

    – Healthy wholemeal Scottish news – with all the real bits kept in.

    Ach, there are bound to be many, but for clever people to think of, not me.  :)

    With regard to mainstream newspapers, it might be worthwhile for me to point out that, in a lot of places, the public libraries will offer online access to ProQuest  so that one can read the papers even if they are owned by despicable people.


  21. PattheCat says:

    Haven’t got to the bank yet but will be donating £10 per month, will also chuck other one off donations your way Rev.


  22. rapid says:

    Had a wee smile at the music choice for the snp party political broadcast this evening.  Someone has a sense of humour(and brave)


  23. Albamac says:

    @Doug Daniel

    14 February, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    “We’ve already spent a slice of the cash on some new super-high-quality and extra-secure hosting to cope with the rocketing traffic” Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssssssssssssssssssssss miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin. If you hadn’t had the fundraiser, I was about one server outage away from offering to pay for a new hosting package myself.”
    9 February, 2013 at 10:29 am
    Albamac says:
    I see that some of our friends have offered help with site development.  Would a free, unlimited hosting package help?
    I’m thinking that it could be used as a development platform for a new site and, if the hosting package comes up to expectations, you could continue to use it when the site is ready to go live without having to migrate to a new host.
    Send me an email if you think this is worth talking about, Stu
    9 February, 2013 at 5:32 pm
    Albamac says:
    Stu, could you delete my previous comment?  I think this was, probably, the wrong place for it and I’d rather it didn’t sit around.
    Don’t know why I asked for the deletion.  Looks like it was invisible, anyway! :)


  24. Jen says:

    Excellent news, just waiting to get paid to be able to donate


  25. clochoderic says:

    The Andrew Neill / Ed Balls interview was on today’s Daily Politics, Stu.
    A couple of threads ago you were asking for ideas for the blog – can I suggest that you invite James Kelly of Scot Goes Pop to contribute a few guest articles? The guy regularly produces excellent analysis yet rarely gets comments numbering in double figures. Apart from that he has been taking the independence argument to the sneering little englanders of Political Betting with with wit and grit for years now and I have never seen him bested.
    PS Had to make my contribution via a friends’s Paypal account – more to come soon.


  26. chicmac says:

    Do you mind if I ask, are you an actual reverend Rev?


  27. Indion says:

    chicmac at & 7:22 pm
    …. and are you really a rev counter?


  28. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    Albamac: My profound apologies. On especially busy days I can’t even get close to seeing every comment on every story, so some stuff does slip past my notice. Thanks very much for the offer anyway.


  29. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “Do you mind if I ask, are you an actual reverend Rev?”

    I actually am.


  30. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “Can I suggest that you invite James Kelly of Scot Goes Pop to contribute a few guest articles?”

    I very much like James’ stuff (and he was terribly nice about me recently), but it feels a bit arrogant to ask people who already have their own well-known blogs to write for me instead, when most of them have been around a lot longer than WingsLand. If we make the funding target and I’m in a position to offer people payment, different matter.


  31. The Man in the Jar says:

    @ Cyborg-nat
    I watched the SNP broadcast as well. The music raised an eyebrow.
    Caned Heat “Lets Work Together”?


  32. The Man in the Jar says:

    Rev. As a suggestion for a future article.
    A lot on the news recently about Glasgow Uni students mock referendum.
    I have got the headline already.
    Turkeys voting for Christmas!


  33. Albamac says:

    “Albamac: My profound apologies.”
    No worries, Stu.  My nose is fine!  :)


  34. Indion says:

    Vronsky at 6:41 pm

    Methinks even the Levellers would rise-up and stand for what we’re doing too – as the many allies we have in England, Wales and Ireland who are gathering.

    Good to see you being your usual sunny self today :-)


  35. lumilumi says:

    @ The Man in the Jar, re: Glasgow Uni’s mock referendum
    BBC has a story on it.
    What struck me about the few students they’d interviewed was that the NO sider (Labour club head) sounded like a political broiler, partybot, and desperate. The YESsers sounded more genuine, just ordinary young people, excited, and surprised but happy to get campaign help.
    A recent poll showed 18-24 yr olds 58% for independence!!!


  36. Laura says:

    Fantastic cartoon. well worth another wee donation, but as usual it will be through your donation link and not indygogo. Hope that’s OK


  37. scottish_skier says:

    The Glasgow uni referendum could be an interesting one; while the result itself will in no way necessarily reflect what will happen in 2014, it could prove a moral booster for the side that does better. While the MORI poll is interesting, support in the 18-24 age group is somewhat volatile poll to poll (my experience is that they tend to ‘No’ if they’ve not bothered much with the issue but rapidly go to yes following a few facts). However, I’d rather not be a better together supporter handing out leaflets saying ‘Vote for the UK and we’ll charge you at least 6k a year to be educated!’…


  38. Indion says:


    You have e-mail.


  39. Keef says:

    The top range that can be donated in the Wings campaign is £ 208 which is named the ‘Hero’ category. So it got me thinking, who are Scotland’s heroes, how many do we celebrate, and how many have been forgotten. So I decided to make up a list of 208 Scottish heroes/heroines.
    This is not meant to be a history lesson, just a bit of fun. I’m sure I have missed many more that should be on the list. Scan through the list and ask yourself how many you can readily identify as being remarkable Scots men/women.


    Robert the Bruce
    William Wallace
    Alexander Graham Bell
    Robert Louis Stevenson
    James Watt
    John Maclean
    Jimmy Reid
    Billy Bremner
    Denis Law
    Jock Stein
    Slim Jim Baxter
    Alex Harvey (SAHB)
    Bon Scott
    Angus Young
    Jim Kerr
    Charlie Burchill
    Annie Lennox
    Rabbie Burns
    Rab C. Nesbitt
    Andy Irvine
    Gavin Hastings
    Rikki Fulton
    Stanley Baxter
    Nicola Sturgeon
    John Louden McAdam
    David Livingstone
    St. Andrew
    Flora McDonald
    Bonnie Dundee
    Sir James Douglas
    Bishop Robert Wishart
    Andrew de Moray
    Bonnie Prince Charlie
    Greyfriars Bobby
    Mary Queen of Scots
    Adam Smith
    David Hume
    Sir Walter Scott
    Thomas Carlyle
    Bashir Ahmed
    Jenny Geddes
    Ian Hamilton
    Winnie Ewing
    Charles Rennie Macintosh
    Robert Baillie
    James Bruce
    Cameron of Lochiel
    Carad Nan Gaidheal, (Reverend Norman MacLeod)
    James Craig
    Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
    Rob Roy Macgregor
    William Dunbar
    John Elder
    Thomas Erskine
    Susan Edmonstone Ferrier
    Andrew Fletcher
    John Galt
    Patrick Gordon
    Neil Gow
    John Logie Baird
    James Gregory
    James Keir Hardie
    James VI of Scotland
    John Paul Jones
    George Keith
    Rev. Stu Campbell
    James Keith
    Kenneth MacAlpin
    Saint Kentigern (St. Mungo)
    Captain William Kidd
    John Leslie
    Alexander Leven
    William Lithgow
    Sir David Lindsay
    Alexander MacDonald
    John MacDonald
    Charles Macintosh
    Hugh MacDiarmid
    Alexander MacKenzie
    Lachlan MacQuarie
    Richard Maitland
    Archie Gemmill
    William McGibbon
    James McGill
    Andrew Meikle
    Henry Dundas Melville
    Thomas Mitchell
    Robert Moffat
    Alexander Montgomerie
    John Moore
    Thomas Randolph Murray
    Roderick Impey Murchison
    William Murdock
    George Murray
    Governor James Murray
    Carolina Nairne
    Charles Napier
    John Napier
    James Neilson
    William Maxwell
    John Ogilby
    Mungo Park
    John Philip
    Sir John Pringle
    Thomas Pringle
    Henry Raeburn
    Allan Ramsay
    Allan Ramsay II
    Thomas Reid
    James Renwick
    John Rennie
    Bill Mclaren
    Jackie Stewart
    Sir John Richardson
    John Ross
    Robert Sandeman
    Henry St.Clair
    Thomas Douglas Selkirk
    James Short
    Archibald Simpson
    William Smellie (obstetrics and midwifery)
    William Smellie (helped found the Newtonian Society)
    John Smibert
    Adam Smith
    Tobias Smollett
    Robert Stevenson (Inventor)
    William Alexander Stirling
    Robert Stirling
    James Stirling
    Thomas Urquhart
    David Wilkie (Painter)
    David Wilkie (Swimmer)
    King William I
    Alexander Wilson
    James Wilson
    Chris Hoy
    Andy Murray
    Andrew Cronykil
    Abbot Bernard of Linton (Drafted declaration of Arbroath)
    Jimmy Johnstone
    Alan Wells
    Sean Connery
    Alex Salmond
    Mary Barbour
    Manny Shinwell
    Dr Robert Douglas McIntyre
    Edwin Morgan
    Rosie Kane
    Charles Ewart
    Billy Mackenzie
    Alexander Fleming
    Kirkpatrick Macmillan
    Thomas Drummond
    George Forbes
    Henry Bell
    William Fairbairn
    Sir David Stirling
    David Mushet
    Sir James Dewar
    James Chalmers
    Sanford Fleming
    Robert Watson-Watt
    James Goodfellow
    Robert Brown
    James Bowman Lindsey
    Professor Thomas Gibson
    William Thomson
    Henry Faulds
    Charles Thomson Rees Wilson
    John Mallard
    James Young Simpson
    Alexander Wood
    Sir Ronald Ross
    Sir John Crofton
    John Reith (Founder and first General Manager of the BBC!)
    William Cullen
    John West
    William Paterson
    James Clerk Maxwell
    Alexander Bain
    Kenny Dalglish
    Sir Matt Busby
    Jimmy Shand
    Ken Buchanan
    Ronnie Browne
    Roy Williamson
    Oor Wullie
    Chic Murray
    Ewen Macgregor
    Mark McManus
    Walter Smith
    Ian Anderson
    Joe Jordan
    Joe Beltrami
    Willie MacRae
    Thomas Muir
    Irvine Welsh
    Alasdair Gray
    Denis Law
    Andy Goram
    Midge Ure
    Simon Neil
    Rod Stewart (Honorary)
    Dick Gaughan
    Liz McColgan
    Scotty from Star Trek
    Muzaffar Yousaf

    Now that you have finished reading through the list. Stop and ask yourself – who on this list have you never heard of, who on this list immediately inspired you, how many do you think gave their lives for Scotland, how many worked all their lives for the betterment of their fellow human being?
    If you can name even one, and if you haven’t already, make a donation, so that one day in the future your kids and your grandkids will be able to learn about all of them, learn how they all became famous sons and daughters of Scotland. For the mere price of a pint or two, you too can be recorded on a list to show that you believed in truth and you believed in putting your money where your mouth is to see that truth flourish.
    The Westminster government steals hundreds of pounds from you every year. Here is a chance for you to see some of your hard earned coin being put to a true and worthy cause. Help the voice of reason shout louder, with the eventual outcome of reversing the flow of money from Westminster to your own pockets.
    For 100’s of years the Scots have been derided for being tight. We know fine well this is nonsense and that we’re one of the most generous folk on the planet. It’s now time to put up or shut up and prove it. 


  40. scottish_skier says:

    I’d add James Hutton to that; considered the father of modern geology.


  41. Morag says:

    Why the bloody hell do you have Jamie the Saxt in that list?  Arguably, he’s the root of the entire problem we have now.


  42. The Man in the Jar says:

    Absolutely. Did for geology what Darwin did for biology and very often overlooked!


  43. The Man in the Jar says:

    Who’s boaby?
    Ford Kiernan, Greg Hemphill & Karen Dunbar


  44. Cyborg-nat says:

    @The Man in the Jar
    Thanks for confirming the music as I don’t  hear the full range of sound. ( I am, as I call myself, a Cyborg – part man part machine !)
    Most appropriate music if aimed at the other political party voters who are not enmeshed into the Unionist machine?


  45. Laura says:

    Can we also include William Speirs Bruce


  46. Jeannie says:

    Don’t like the music at all – just find it irritating and it has no emotional appeal for me.  I really wish they’d find something different.  When I hear the tune, I hear the words, “united we stand, divided we fall”, which sounds like a mantra for Better Together.  I  really think they should think again about this, but, on the other hand, it didn’t do them any harm in the election, so what do I know?


  47. Tearlach says:

    If you have Rabbie Burns in there you must also have Rob Donn Mackay, one of Gaeldoms greatest poets, at least until Sorely Maclean.


  48. Chic McGregor says:

    Indion says:
    14 February, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    …. and are you really a rev counter?
    No, I’m just a nosey bugger :)
    Rev. Stuart Campbell says:
    14 February, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    “Do you mind if I ask, are you an actual reverend Rev?”
    I actually am.
    Cool! Thanks for answering, I thought it might be a nickname. I was half expecting, no that’s my DJ name or something.



  49. Cyborg-nat says:

    Donnchadh Bàn Mac an t-Saoir should head the list as only he has paid suitable tribute to Scotland’s most beautiful Ben. Second should be anyone who can repeat all 47 verses sober.


  50. Marcia says:

    O/T One of our posters put up the video on Youtube. Well done that young man.

    Changed days from campaigning in the sixties, no offices, no telephone canvassing and very few PPB’s.


  51. Jeannie says:

    God, Marcia, that’s one hell of an avatar you’ve got there – at least I hope it’s just an avatar.  Please don’t come back and tell me it’s your real picture!


  52. Jeannie says:

    Actually, is that Norman Bates’ mother out of Psycho?


  53. Marcia says:

    I should not have gone to Johann’s beautician.  
    Yes – you are right thought it amusing to go with the name Auld Marcia when I posted on Political Betting.


  54. Chic McGregor says:

    Good list, there were 18 I didn’t know so that’s another 18 quid winging its way to the coffers.
    Big kudos for having James Gregory on the list one of the very best minds the world has produced.  A few I wouldn’t have put on the list for various reasons and many I would have, including the following ‘biggies’:
    Science and Technology
    Lord Monboddo
    William Chambers
    Patrick Matthew
    James Hutton
    Charles Lyell
    Charles T Wilson
    Tom Brown
    Edwin Mumford
    Preston Watson
    Enlightenment figures
    Francis Hutcheson
    The cause
    ‘Jackie’ Crookston
    Angus Cameron
    George Mealmaker
    Isabella MacDuff
    King Macbeth
    King Angus
    King Bride
    Literature and other books
    William McIlvanney
    Sorley MacLean
    Ian Rankin (I know)
    Iain Banks
    Lord Byron (when he wanted to be)
    Walter Scott
    James MacPherson
    James Hogg
    The Brahn Seer
    Hamish Henderson
    Liz Lochhead
    Edwin Morgan
    Lewis Grassick Gibbon
    Iain Crichton Smith
    George McKay Brown
    James M Barrie
    Thomas the Rhymer
    Robert Henryson
    John Barbour
    Thomas Carlyle
    George Buchanan
    Hector Boece
    Adam of Wyntoun
    Going back further and therefore into territory with sometimes disputed origins (usually with Irish or Welsh)
    Duns Scotus
    St Cuthbert
    St Ninian
    St Patrick
    I’ll stop there it is after 1 am


  55. deewal says:

    I contributed 8 days ago and intend to contribute again.
    I do feel it is important to stress that although all is welcome the Indygogo Fundraiser is The Most Important Target to reach as we will lose money if it is not met.
    Must admit i felt a little bit down when i counted the number of people who had contributed. I’m a pensioner and i felt a bit embarressed at only being able to contribute at Benefactor level. Anyway here’s hoping there will be a late surge. (smiley thing)


  56. Keef says:

    @ Chic Macgregor. You’re a gentleman and a great scholar. I loved your idea of paying 18 quid for the 18 you did not know. Well done.
    @morag. I hear you on King James VI. :-) . Are you up for making another donation and I’ll remove him and replace him with a Scot of your choosing?


  57. Clarinda says:

    Laura at 10.04 pm – thanks for that. An ancestor of mine was one of the scientific officers on Bruce’s Antarctic Scotia expedition. Bruce’s serious fact-finding explorations had, and still have, far reaching implications for ongoing research.  Bruce lost out in financial, geographic establishment and government support compared to the fateful race for the pole undertaken by Scott. Kudos was considered more important than knowledge?  My relative was honoured in having a small mountainous range named after him on Laurie Island and many of his specimens are still to be found and used in modern research in the National Museum, Edinburgh.
    Rev. S – I’ll be making my own expedition to the bank!


  58. Keef says:

    Clarinda what a lovely personal tale. What was his name?


  59. Dcanmore says:

    I’d put in … 
    Ewen Bain (creator of Angus Og)
    Alexander III (one of Scotland’s strongest and noble kings)
    Bill Forsyth
    William Thomson aka Lord Kelvin (Irish born but did all his breakthrough work in Scotland)
    Frank Barnwell (aeronautical engineer)
    Robert Wilson (marine engineer)
    Loch Ness Monster
    The Broons
    Iain M Banks


  60. Keef says:

    yip, there are countless more that could be added.
    Perhaps I should offer to replace one for the person of their choice if they make a donation. Same as the offer I made to Morag.


  61. Macart says:

    Robert Bontine Cunninghame Graham
    Along with his friend Keir Hardie a father to socialism in Scotland and a founding member of the home rule association. Also one of the leading lights of the independence movement as we know it today. In fact he was, I think, either the first or one of the first leaders of the SNP.
    The lad got about a bit too. Politician, poet, painter, author, adventurer and rancher. Also known as Don Roberto.


  62. Keef says:

    Thanks Macart. I’m taking note of them all.
    Kenyon Wright & the late great Stuart Adamson (only thought of him whilst in the car this afternoon) are not there either.


  63. uilleam_beag says:

    I love the idea of having Scotland’s 208 heroes, but the list is way too male-dominated. I know women tend to get written out of history, but surely we can name more than the 15-odd listed so far.
    I’ll suggest Evelyn Stewart Murray for her efforts in documenting Perthshire Gaelic (long since died out) and Atholl folklore – not to mention rebelling against Victorian aristocratic social norms.


  64. The Man in the Jar says:

    There we are donation made!
    Aprox. 10% of state broadcaster tax.
    I wish it were the other way round!


  65. Steve McKay says:
    ooops – sorry for delay – link to Eds interview


  66. Dorothy Devine says:

    I’d like to donate but am of an age which mistrusts electronics and having been hacked /diddled once have no intentions of being so again.
    When I donate to Newsnet I can contribute via an RBS account – do you have a similar arrangement?
    Or can I send a cheque?


  67. CameronB says:

    Waffle and spin. No indication of any desire to address the structural imbalances that have brought about a new era of Dickensian  inequality. Tinkering with minor policy alternatives will do nothing to benefit general society, but will be welcomed by the vested interests who have grown fat over the last 30-40 years. Remember, financial speculators make as much profit when economies are on their way down, as they do when economies prosper. There is only one viable solution to Wasteminster trickery.
    Vote Yes in 2014


  68. Clarinda says:

    Keef – his name, Alastair Ross, thought to have perished before WW1 after setting out alone trying to find a winter route west to east (nothing if not contrary!) across the Canadian Rockies.  One of his brothers was capped on a number of occasions for Scotland at rugby and their father, Andrew, was the Ross Herald for many years – his surname being a coincidence.


  69. Keef says:

    Thanks for sharing Clarinda.
    He’s on the new list I’m compiling.


  70. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “When I donate to Newsnet I can contribute via an RBS account – do you have a similar arrangement?
    Or can I send a cheque?”

    Yes, you can do either of those things – drop me a line via the Contact form and I can give you the bank info.


  71. Tamson says:

    Just wanted to say again – it’s time to stop using the phrase “mainstream media” in reference to newspapers and institutional entities like the BBC.
    “Old media” is more appropriate. Even though most are online now, the mindset of their owners – that they are the controllers of information – remains.

    PS I’ve made a payment for your service. Was going to say donation, but I don’t see your valuable work as charity. More power to your elbow Rev!


  72. mutterings says:

    Dorothy Devine says:
    15 February, 2013 at 9:15 am

    I’d like to donate […]
    When I donate to Newsnet I can contribute via an RBS account – do you have a similar arrangement? Or can I send a cheque?
    Money transfer old-style is possible (and it is free of charge unlike Paypal!):
    To obtain Stuarts bank details, you need to contact him using this form. There was someone last week who sent a cheque.


  73. Morag says:

    @morag. I hear you on King James VI. . Are you up for making another donation and I’ll remove him and replace him with a Scot of your choosing?

    I already did the Heroes bit, and I’ll see what the score is when we’re getting nearer to the deadline.  But I think you need to take him out.  Is Macbeth in there?  He should be.  Kenneth MacAlpine?

    By the way, Abbot Bernard de Linton is actually Bernard of Kilwinning.  I live in Linton, and was told to go away and find out more about this guy who wrote the Declaration of Arbroath.  I went away and found out that it was all a mix-up, and he wasn’t from Linton at all.  :(


  74. Keef says:

    As you’ve already dug deep – consider him out :-) Thanks for the ‘update’ on Wee Bernie fae Kilwinning as well.
    Who would you prefer to replace him Macbeath or Kenneth MacAlpine?


  75. Alan Macdonald says:

    Can i suggest Davie Cameron and Georgie Osbourne for a future  honarary Scots list…
    nobody is doing more at the moment to promote Scottish Independence, statues will be erected and songs sung of these two fine gentlmen for many generations to come 


  76. Derick says:

    Iam a statistic of the skint sort but will when Ican


  77. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “I am a statistic of the skint sort but will when I can”

    For all our aggressive panhandling, obviously we don’t actually want people who can’t afford it to be chucking their money at a daft politics website. Nobody who’s struggling for cash should feel the least bit bad about not sending any, and that’s certainly not the intention.


  78. Ron says:

    Can I suggest John Muir, ‘Father of the National Parks’.
    WRT the SNP broadcast music, perhaps Bon Jovi’s latest ‘Because We Can’ might have been a better choice. Has some great lyrics;
    I don’t wanna be another wave in the ocean
    I am a rock not just another grain of sand
    I wanna be the one you run to when you need a shoulder
    I ain’t a soldier but I’m here to take a stand.
    Maybe next time…


  79. Morag says:

    Kenneth MacAlpine, I suppose.  For all I’m a bit of a fan of the Son of Life.


  80. Morag says:

    Derick, seconded what RevStu said about not extorting from people who are skint.  But then, most people can manage £1, and then you’re not a statistic any more.  That’s all he’s actually asking for, after all!


  81. Hamish Henderson says:

    As my name appears in the estimable list ;0) I feel I should lend balance by putting forward another two
    James Clerk Maxwell and Mary Slessor
    May I draw your attention to the excelent book The Mark of the Scots by Duncan A. Bruce wherein he has listed those Scots and people of Scots decent who have made a contribution to the world.
    This is amost illuminating book of reference and well worth a read.


  82. Chic McGregor says:

    @Hamish Henderson
    I’m afraid Hamish Henderson was not on the original list but James Clerk Maxwell was.
    However Hamish was on the ‘mini-list’ I posted.
    OTOH this ‘great scholar’ missed an R out of Charles T R Wilson the inventor of the cloud chamber, and I should have put Robert Chambers between the two other names which were key contributors to the natural selection theory of evolution nicked by Darwin rather than his brother William.
    We a’ mak mistakes :)
    Oh and wd for Mary Slessor.


  83. tartanfever says:

    I’m not sure that ‘Scotty from Star Trek’ is actually a Scotty ? Well, the character is, but the actor was Canadian. Does he still count in the list of famous Scots ?


  84. Davie Park says:

    In idle moments (too few these days) I sometimes wonder who would inhabit the cliff-face of Scotland’s Mount Rushmore (Ben Breenge-mair?) I certainly wouldn’t limit it to politicos. I’d go for a grouping of 5 rather than 4 (aesthetically more pleasing!).
    So here’s my tentative line up.
    In the centre would be the Father of the new independent Scotland – his Eckness.
    Flanking him on the left, R.B. Cunninghame Graham.
    To the right, Clerk-Maxwell.
    On either side, protecting the whole, Wallace and (with reservations) The Bruce.


  85. Morag says:

    Don’t push it, kid….  😀


  86. The Man in the Jar says:

    @Hamish Henderson
    Re “The Mark of the Scots.
    One bit that I like is the photo of Richard Nixon talking to Neil Armstrong on the Moon (both decended from old border clans)
    Nixon is watching Armstrong on a television (invented by a Scot) while talking to him via a telephone (invented by a Scot “sort of”)
    Its oor moon!


  87. Chic McGregor says:

    And the only sport that’s been played on the Moon is Scottish – gowf.
    Ach but I and most folk in Kirrie have been to the Moon or passed very close by it. 😉
    Why settle for the Moon when we can have the stars thanks to Gregory inventing the reflecting telescope?



  88. Gus Mackintosh says:

    Another contribution from me on it’s way.


  89. Appleby says:

    I was going to make a joke about my baby being able to do without milk for a day to pay for the donation but I think Stu might freak if he read it. 😆


  90. clochoderic says:

    Chic – phasers set to malky!


  91. Craig Evans says:

    Congratulation Rev! I would sped most of the money on wine, Simmental & song; the blow the rest!
    keep up the good work.


  92. Craig Evans says:

    The was suposed to say: Congratulation Rev! I would sped most of the money on wine, wimmen  & song; the blow the rest!
     Bizarre or what?
    keep up the good work.


  93. James McLaren says:

    Alexander R. Todd, Baron Todd
    Alexander Robertus Todd, Baron Todd, OM, PRS FRSE was a Scottish biochemist whose research on the structure and synthesis of nucleotides, nucleosides, and nucleotide coenzymes gained him the 1957 Nobel Prize for Chemistry


  94. Macsenex says:

    Is it not easier to make a list of those who are not Heroes?


  95. The Man in the Jar says:

    I donated quite early this morning, it being pay day. I am not yet 60 and hate the sound of pension day.
    I notice that the total has gone up by probably less than £110.00 today. I know this is a flattening out period that is to be expected. Hopefully there will be a surge at the end of the month when many get paid. If you haven’t donated yet or are waiting for payday like I had to. Do IT! It feels really good.


  96. Clarinda says:

    Pipe Major William Ross – 1878 – 1966.
    Considered to be the most respected and competent piper, composer and teacher of the last century.  Taught thousands of pipers – particularly during his time as Head of the Army School of Piping at Edinburgh Castle.  Renowed throughout the world as the master of his art. A real gentleman.
    No relation this time (!) but it is surely fitting to have such an honoured piper on your list?


  97. Keef says:

    Thanks Clarinds the thought had occured to me, but I dropped it as besides having an uncle who played drums in the Queens own pipe band, I knew nothing about pipers. Sad really.


  98. ianbrotherhood says:



  99. Laura says:

    ‘Black Agnes’, Countess of Dunbar?


  100. Ray says:

    I’d like to nominate Rowdy Roddy Piper as an honorary member for the list.
    Oh, and stick Super Gran in there too.


  101. Laura says:

    Why not Billy Connolly? Unionist or not, remarkable acheivements all things considered.
    He’s the only comedian I know who still makes me cry with laughter – especially the old stuff.


  102. Hamish Henderson says:

    @Chic Mac.
    Hmmm! I obviously need reading specs.  Soo–How about William Malcolm inventor of telescopic sights and because I am so slow Sir Keith Elphinston( Invented the speedometer ) smiley thing smiley thing


  103. Geoff Huijer says:

    Heroes: definitely King Alexander III who even as a boy had the temerity to refuse to pay homage to Edward I for Scotland as he was responsible to the Scottish people. Our greatest ever King.
    Also Bobby Thomson: baseball’s ‘shot heard around the world’…arguably baseball’s most famous moment.


  104. Geoff Huijer says:

    Davey Crockett, Jim Bowie, Piper John McGregor – at The Alamo
    Cherokee John Ross – leader of Cherokee nation
    Sam Houston
    Andrew Carnegie
    Oops, I’ll stop now…loads more in the States


  105. douglas clark says:

    Ré the list of famous Scots. Anyone that votes ‘Yes’ in 2014?


  106. Chic McGregor says:

    ‘Ah awa and dinnae talk pish’.
    In case there are any who don’t know what this exchange is about, have a look at this

    I should add though that that isn’t what I was alluding to, funny though it is, but to the following cul-de-sac at the top of Bellies Brae which is called ‘The Moon’ although here Google Maps has assumed it was a liscence plate and ‘fuzzed’ it.


  107. Chic McGregor says:

    Hmmm! seems you need to hit the link button on GM now, here it is (hopefully) in satellite view which does have the name printed


  108. Amanayeman says:

    Thank you Chic for that wee link to Taysiders in Space. I especially liked the “set phasers  tae Malky.”  Neat word play on the Glasgow rhyming slang Malky Fraser–razor. From the days when open razors were carried by the hard men. Giving rise to further cheery comments such as ” kin yer Maw sew? well get her tae stitch that” slash!
    Ah, happy days


  109. Chic McGregor says:

    Indeed, but I notice it being claimed as Cockney Rhyming slang more recently.  Perfidious Albion.


  110. albaman says:

    How about the two Scottish men one in Glasgow, one down London way, the one in
    “Glasgow” invented the ATM that we all use today as the “hole in the wall”, unfortunately for him, the one in the London area (who had a team working for him)
    also invented the ATM, eventually the dispute went to a court of arbitration of sorts
    and I beleave the Scot in Glasgow was recognised as the rightful inverter, unfortunately I do not recall there names.
    another name I cannot recall (I`m good at this eh) is the engineer chap who worked on the Clyde shipbuilding and was using ultrasonics to check welds for
    impurities, had the thought that it could be used in the medical field, got together
    with the medical profession at one of the Glasgow hospitals, the result was the
    almost every pregnant woman in the modern world can have the development of
    the unborn child displayed on a screen.
    but I do have a name to add to the list = William Topaz McGonagall  did anyone
    see Billy Connelly `s recital of his Tay Bridge Disaster on the top of Dundee Law
    in a snowstorm? Brilliant!!.    


  111. CameronB says:

    I was waiting for someone to suggest one of the finest contributions Scotland has made to poetry. :)


  112. Albamac says:

    Connolly’s biggest gigs – Sold Out, Played Out and Copped Out.  Given his fondness for baring his erse, how about this for a farewell performance – Butt Out!


  113. albaman says:

    PS you can watch Billy Connelly`s rendering on You Tube. 


  114. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “PS you can watch Billy Connelly`s rendering on You Tube.”

    They’re turning Billy Connolly into glue? I know he’s getting on and not very funny any more but that’s a little harsh.


  115. albaman says:

    Rev Stew,
    I agree with you but there were periods when he was funny, without the swear words.
    I still like his take on Mc Gonagall`s “Tay Bridge”
    anyone come up with the names of the other people I posted about?.


  116. Willie Zwigerland says:

    How can you have Andy Goram and not Alex Ferguson or Kenny Dalglish?
    And what about Armando Iannucci, Muriel Spark or Colin Maclaurin?


  117. Laura says:

    Geoff Huijer -Cherokee John Ross – leader of Cherokee nation
    Thank you for that, I completely forgot about him.


  118. Fiona says:

    Professor Ian Donald was the man who developed obstetric ultrasound.
    James Goodfellow of Paisley and John Shepherd-Barron born in Tain both claim to have invented the ATM- either way it seems both were of Scots origin, but I think Goodfellow has the patent.


  119. CameronB says:

    In case they have not been mentioned before, what about Jim Baxter, Denis Law and Jimmy Johnstone?


  120. albaman says:

    Dont forget Jock Tamson and his bairns!!.


  121. Indion says:

    …. and whovever made the 30,000th (i can write but not say it unless pitthed) comment – barring, Grahamski et seq of course.

    RevStu: you have non-urgent e-mail.


  122. Chic McGregor says:

    Fiona and Albaman  Tom Brown (on my mini list) was the engineer who invented and developed the human ultrasound scanner.  He held the sole patent on it but made little or nothing from it.
    Professor Ian Donald did indeed carry out the clinical trials with it and for that reason deserves credit, but Brown made it possible.


  123. albaman says:

    Chic McGregor
    Thanks for that, I had a feeling that Professor Donald was not the full answer.
    I think the same applies to James Goodfellow in as much he too did not make any 
    money from his invention. still,two more to add to your list, 


  124. Fiona says:

    Thanks Chic, for clearing that up- it seems we are falling over scots who have made major contributions to the world.
    It seems sad that whilst we are clever enough to do all this inventing some still see us as being “too stupid” to run our own affairs.


  125. albaman says:

    Too wee, too stupid aye well as a woman you will know the value of an ultra scan
    on pregnant woman, my son who is 41 yrs old now. was scanned while “within”.
    my wife had to go to Edinburgh for the scan, (it was in the early days of scanning)
    and we still have the print-out of that scan (use it to remind him of his beginning!) 
    and to think it is used world wide now, as are ATMs indeed where would we all be without the “hole in the wall”. aye too wee, too stupid indeed!!!.


  126. Amanayeman says:

    As regards ultra sonic scanning Professor Donald worked with Kelvin Hughes scientific instruments in Hillington to develop the system. I was an apprentice there at the time and saw some of the trial scans. One had the name of the woman scanned , I forget who but looking at the scan I said “whit, Mrs. Whitshername is having twins?” much panic and swearing to secrecy. Of course I had no Idea who Mrs. Whitsername was. Severe telling off then much laughter in the canteen. Ahh, the care free days of youth.


  127. Chic McGregor says:

    Professor Donald had the idea of using ultrasound scanners on patients, he tried, but rather unsuccessfully, to scan human brains with what was available commercially (metal flaw finders).  Tom Brown offered his services and developed the first successful manual ultrasound body scanner  but the company retained commercial rights for the patent which is in his name.  This is common practice, for example when my name appeared on a patent when I worked as a device physicist in semiconductors, although you are listed as a patent owner it is the company you work for that retains the commercial rights, its standard clause in your employment contract.
    Kelvin Hughes, a subsiduary of Smith Industries were subsequently contracted to develop the commercial system.
    All Brown got directly was the honour of being acknowledged the inventor and winning awards occasionally.  Although it no doubt furthered his career hence an indirect gain.


  128. Dorothy Devine says:

    Mutterings I just came accross this message,
    Money transfer old-style is possible (and it is free of charge unlike Paypal!):
    Not true for the Bank of Scotland because bank transfer was my first thought ,the cashier told me it would cost £20 .
    She then went on to say there was another method but I didn’t pay attention to what that was merely latched on to the fact it cost nothing  and made the donation.


  129. mutterings says:

    Dorothy Devine said: “Bank of Scotland because bank transfer was my first thought ,the cashier told me it would cost £20”
    She must have talked about CHAPS payments, which costs around £20. From personal current accounts, Faster Payments (same day) are FREE. I bank with BoS and make dozens of transfers a month.


  130. Appleby says:

    You can do bank transfers like mutterings mentioned online free and quickly. It’s virtually instant too. It’s easy to do as I’ve seen it done and been through it many a time. They must have been talking about other systems of payment as suggested above.


  131. albaman says:

    Do not dispare, we may go off subject now and then but I am sure no-one forgets
    your appeal at the head of this column, as such a another fiver “winging” your way
    Chic McGregor, thanks for that,I had forgotten the details, I think that my wife must have been scanned more-or-less within the first year or two when it became
    available to the N.H.S. (41YRS ) I remember it was explained to her that this was
     a new development


  132. ron17 says:

    Rev finding it hard to contribute on indiegogo/paypal,putting in my details same as last time.But the agree button is not allowing me to proceed?


  133. M4rkyboy says:

    Promise is a promise Rev :)
    Shipped that tenspot just now for you.GL meeting your target man.
    Next gig i’ll earmark another tenner.


  134. Morag says:

    Two weeks, and apparently half way there if you include the off-system donations RevStu mentioned above.
    Most of that was achieved in the first mad 24-hour avalanche though.  Another £15,000 still to be found in just over a month.


  135. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    It’s a pretty steady trickle. Most days still get enough that we’ll make the target if it carries on at the current rate.


  136. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “Rev finding it hard to contribute on indiegogo/paypal,putting in my details same as last time.But the agree button is not allowing me to proceed?”

    If you can’t get PayPal to play nice (and you’re not alone), there are other options. Check the Donate page:


  137. Morag says:

    RevStu said:
    It’s a pretty steady trickle. Most days still get enough that we’ll make the target if it carries on at the current rate.
    Pleased to hear it.  I imagine there are a few regulars who will spring for a second tranche towards the end if it looks as if it needs a wee boost.


  138. Dorothy Devine says:

    Mutterings and Appleby , thanks – I think I may have to take my wee branch to task.
    When I tried to make a bank transfer donation to Newsnet they insisted that I would have to do that through an  RBS branch – not too convenient.
    Apart from thatwhy would there be a charge of £20 on anything electronic?
    Sounds lke a con to me.


  139. Scotrock says:

    Another wee donation made – keep up the good work


  140. Tom Hogg says:

    Payday approaches. Another few quid in the pot from me then.


  141. Peter says:

    There seems to be a fashion starting, I noticed another Scottish news site is asking for donations and add that unless they get the money they cannot continue. I found it to be a bit odd as the “appeal” was tagged onto the bottom of an article claiming bias at the BBC. However, one guy got stamped on for mentioning that he would not be donating until they sorted out their moderation policy & my post agreeing with him got moderated into non-existence. As I don’t see how a site can criticise bias, by being bias themselves, I shall not be donating anything towards them. On the plus side, Rev Stu; you get a double dunt come pay day. At least you seem to permit contrary opinions on here.


  142. ScottyC1314 says:

    Just made a donation Rev….my first….and will make more as finances allow.


  143. Mac says:

    John Paul Jones


  144. Training Day says:

    Just made a post pay day contribution – come on folks, let’s get the Rev towards that target. 


  145. Morag says:

    I have to say I would welcome some guidance from RevStu about now.  If he doesn’t make the full near-£30,000 total, then he has to pay about 9% commission.  That goes down a lot if he makes the total.
    I don’t want to donate again through the Indiegogo site in case the total isn’t met.  If it isn’t going to be met, then I think it would be better to donate off-system, so that the commission doesn’t take a big chunk out of it.  On the other hand, if the Indiegogo total is looking realistic then I’d chip in and push it closer to that total.
    We need more information here.


  146. Rev. Stuart Campbell says:

    “I have to say I would welcome some guidance from RevStu about now. If he doesn’t make the full near-£30,000 total, then he has to pay about 9% commission. That goes down a lot if he makes the total.

    I don’t want to donate again through the Indiegogo site in case the total isn’t met. If it isn’t going to be met, then I think it would be better to donate off-system, so that the commission doesn’t take a big chunk out of it. On the other hand, if the Indiegogo total is looking realistic then I’d chip in and push it closer to that total.

    We need more information here.”

    Well, the situation is that for the reasons you note, it’s better to get donations in through Indiegogo. Weirdly – and I’m not saying this is a strategy – how it works is that money donated so far is already in my bank account. It would seem, therefore, that technically I could donate it to myself on the last day to ensure making the target. Naturally I’ll have to check the small print in the T&Cs about that.

    But in any event, even at the much-reduced pace of donations now, we’re still just about on course to hit the target anyway.


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