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Alex Salmond Dictator-Comparison Bingo!

Posted on February 03, 2012 by

It won’t have come as any surprise to SNP supporters that the media – the same one that devoted hundreds of column inches to misrepresenting Joan McAlpine’s “anti-Scottish” comments on Twitter – was today absolutely silent on Labour MP Denis McShane’s comparison of Alex Salmond to Serbian war criminal Slobodan Milosevic.


MacShane, who voted in favour of the Iraq War, hasn’t deleted the tweet, despite a storm of protest on Twitter. But he’s only the latest in a long line of Unionist politicians to compare Scotland’s democratically elected First Minister (who as far as we know isn’t implicated in a single death) to murderous genocidal dictators.

Labour in particular are fond of crying about the nasty cybernat “bullies” who occasionally call Labour politicians names online, but those are pseudonymous internet users with not a shred of evidence that any of them are members of – or even vote for – the SNP. We’re not aware of any elected Nat representative or even pro-independence journalist ever having likened Gordon Brown or Tony Blair or Ed Miliband to Hitler, but the brave defenders of the Union have no such scruples. MacShane is merely the latest in a long and ignoble line, so we thought it’d be a good idea to keep track and see if we can get a full house.

1. Slobodan Milosevic? YES. (Denis MacShane, Labour MP)

2. Benito Mussolini? YES. (Lord Foulkes, Labour peer)

3. Adolf Hitler? YES. (Tom Harris, Labour MP)

4. Adolf Hitler (again)? YES. (Ann Moffat, Labour MP)

5. Adolf Hitler (again)? YES. (David Starkey, Conservative historian)

6. Joseph Stalin? YES. (Alan Cochrane, the Telegraph)

7. Robert Mugabe? YES. (Lord Cormack, Conservative peer)

8. Robert Mugabe (again)? YES. (Jeremy Paxman, BBC)

9. Kim Jong-Il? YES. (Lord Forsyth, Conservative peer)

10. Caligula? YES. (John Macleod, the Times)

11. Nicolae Ceausescu? YES. (Neil Collins, the Financial Times)

12. Genghis Khan? YES. (Kevin McKenna, the Observer)

13. Nero? YES. (Annabel Goldie, Conservative MSP)

Not a bad start, but there are a few missing. Can you help us fill in the blanks?

Pol Pot? NO. (So far we’ve only got an unnamed blogger for this one.)

Chairman Mao? NO. (Well, sort of. We do get an oblique comparison from David Thomas in the Daily Mail’s stark-raving-bonkers “Right Minds” ward.)

Ayatollah Khomeini? NO. (But we do get a dig to that effect from Ming Campbell, former Lib Dem leader, albeit grudgingly retracted later in the quote.)

Napoleon? NO. (We’re down to comment-thread loonies now.)

General Franco? NO. (Again, just some demented Rangers nutjob. No apparent reason for the comparison can be seen.)

Idi Amin? NO. (A surprising omission, surely, given Amin’s infamous status as “The Last King Of Scotland”. Give it time.)

Saddam Hussein? NO. (Perhaps too raw a nerve for Labour, this one.)

Darth Vader? NO. (Nothing yet. Someone’s slacking.)

 Keep your eyes peeled, readers. All sightings welcomed – we’ll fill that card up yet.

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  1. Jen says:

    Smear and sneer campaigns from unionists will get worse over time.  However these smears make the people doing it look silly.  I hope many are able to see through the political posturing.  As if Scotland does not vote for independence, westminister will lay waste to Scotland like never before. 
     
    I don't want to see this happen.  I grew up under Thatcher and what will come toward us will be much worse.

      

  2. Shodan says:

    This is an imbalance that can only be allowed to happen thanks to the completely biased media, especially from the BBC who is expected to do better. It cannot be stressed enough to everyone that they are only getting one side of the story from the media, which seems to be all out to poison the independance movement even if they have to stoop to the very depths.
     
    Labour in Scotland seem to be untouchable from any media scrunity thanks to the media protection (again, including the BBC). Things that would lead to the SNP or others being hauled over the coals are quietly ignored or swept under the carpet. Catch the SNP doing this and you can be sure of a week of "SNP accused…" headlines. I doubt even the unionsts could deny that with a straight face.
     
    Similar bias distorting of the true situation and balance of events is going on elsewhere and with other parties too, of course. All heavily in favour of the unionist stable.

      

  3. Shodan says:

    Love the bingo idea, BTW. Got a laugh out of me. I'm tempted to go hunting or remember to keep an eye out to complete the set. It's early days yet though. I can see this being updated as we get closer to the day.
     
    @Jen
     
    I agree. My biggest fear is the power and reach of the biased media. Too many people trust what the papers tell them (sometimes harvesting their opinions and simply repeating them as their own and as fact) and especially so with the BBC who have carefully cultivated the air of neutrality and trustworthiness with the public, even when it flies in the face of reality like with this blog update's examples.

      

  4. Morag says:

    Jen, take heart.  If it happens like that, it will not last long.
     
    If the vote goes against indepedence, that will be because too many voters will have fallen for Labour's "vote no and we'll give you devo max (or something anyway trust us) afterwards" riff.  When that doesn't happen, maybe starting in May 2015 if Cameron wins a second term, there is an answer.
     
    Before the Scottish parliament, the SNP's line was, vote for us for independence.  They only introduced the referendum concept for the sake of democracy, and acknowledging that people vote for all sorts of reasons at an election.  Even then, you heard Tavish.  You don't need a referendum, if you want independence just vote SNP.
     
    The SNP can turn any election it likes into a straight referendum on independence.  If we do get royally shafted, would you bet on them losing?

      

  5. An Duine Gruamach says:

    This is hysterical.  In both senses of the word.

      

  6. Iain says:

    Cracking stuff, forensic dissection of the Britnats and their increasing hysteria is the best medicine. Great work you're doing, and your blog is a fantastic aid in cutting pop-eyed Unionists down to size.

      

  7. bigskelf says:

    I spotted Idi digs on the hootsmon "remember what happened to last person who claimed to be the King of Scotland"
    But no points cause not a politician (or even sane)

      

  8. joe kane says:

    Alex Salmond is like beknighted Fred Goodwin according to Johann Lamont –
    <A HREF=http://www.scottishlabour.org.uk/alex-salmond-is-the-fred-goodwin-of-scottish-politics>Alex Salmond is the Fred Goodwin of Scottish Politics</A>
    Scottish Labour
    02 Jan 2012

      

  9. Longshanker says:

    Not a bad start, but there are a few missing. Can you help us fill in the blanks?
     
    Fidel Castro – Ex-Communist Dictator who believed that 16 – 17 year olds getting the vote was a good thing.
    Kim Jong-Un – North Korean (to be) Demi-god – also believes 16 – 17 year olds having the vote is a good thing.
     
    Hope these help.
     

      

  10. Bugger (the Panda) says:

    Marshall Pétain?
    Newspeak version

      

  11. Sharon Dolan-Powers says:

      

  12. ross says:

    Do we have a Thatcher yet?

      

  13. Bugger (the Panda) says:

    Margaret Thatcher
     
     
    sorry I am slow today

      

  14. An Duine Gruamach says:

    I've got South Eastern Europe for my line – got Ceaucescu and Milosovic – just need Tito and then I win!

      

  15. Patrick Stirling says:

    Fidel Castro – Ex-Communist Dictator who believed that 16 – 17 year olds getting the vote was a good thing.
    Kim Jong-Un – North Korean (to be) Demi-god – also believes 16 – 17 year olds having the vote is a good thing.
    Nick Clegg- who also supports 16 and 17 years having the vote
    Ed Miliband,Margaret Curran,wullie Bain,Jim Murphy,Douglas Alexander,or  Anas Sarwar,all who believe that 16 – 17 year olds having the vote is a good thing(when it suits them of course)

      

  16. Siôn Eurfyl Jones says:

    No Osama Bin Laden, Guy Fawkes, goebels, Hoxa, Honeker, Pinochet, Evita Peron, Castro . .  . ? This game could go on and on. 

      

  17. doe says:

    The Kaiser?

      

  18. furian says:

    Sometimes I wonder why the English are so upset about a referendum in Scotland. I am Norwegian and we have had quite a lot of referendums. We voted twice to leave unions – first in 1814 to leave a 500 year "marriage" with Denmark and then in 1905 to break up with Sweden. The last one nearly ended with war, but didn't.
    Then, of course, we were about to be seduced by the wonders of EU and along came a new offer to join a union again (Do politicians never learn?). But a referendum in 1973 turned down the offer, though it was a close call (51/49).  In 1994, after years of negotiations with EU and one of the most generous treaties the world has ever seen, the government tried again.
    The Norwegian "unionists" went on in the same way as Westminster is doing to Scotland ,threats, smearing and doomsday scenarios. We were all to live in misery and agony, homeless,unemployed and penningless, at the frozen fringes of Europe.
    Norway said no, the unionists suffered in silence and businesses remained in Norway instead of flagging out to Bonga Bonga and elsewhere. Armaggedon did not happen,we got access to the free market, kept full national control over natural resources-fish,oil/gas and renewable enegy – and independence seems to work quite well.
    It might work differently for Scotland, but it is hard – at least for a Norwegian- to understand why Scotland should remain in a union that does not work and never has. EU would be most happy to keep independent Scotland as member, while no body would cry to see UK leave the EU and establish a banana republic around City of London.
    But the most important benefit with independence- freedom to make your own choices. There is nothing like it- go for it and welcome to the society of free and independent nations.

      

  19. furian says:

    I guess it was too long

      

  20. Alex Grant says:

    No Furian, it wasn't too long! It was spot on! Unfortunately we have the 'legions of hell' against us. We just hope that continued attacks will cause more people to defect to us

      

  21. Shodan says:

    Thanks for that, furian. Great to hear the perspective of others who have went through these things already and are looking in from the outside. We hope to join you in independance soon!

      

  22. molly says:

    Furian, please send that to every newspaper in Scotland-no make that the UK! Pleaseeeeeeeee !!!!

      

  23. Morag says:

    Furian, I reposted part of it in another forum, with a link, yesterday, and a vacillating unionist replied that Salmond should get you to come here and talk to people!  If you say something that speaks for itself and stands on its own, what is there to say except, atta-boy.

      

  24. Vee says:

    Furian, thanks so much for posting. It was a good read

      

  25. Colin Dunn says:

    Actually, Morag, that's a bloody good idea.
     
    The SNP should get people from recently independent countries to give their verdict. Can you imagine the effect of a billboard poster campaign of 'testimonials' from around the world? All ending with . . .
     
     "The most important benefit of independence – freedom to make your own choices. There is nothing like it – go for it, and welcome to the society of free and independent nations."

     
    It'd be huge.
     
    Colin
     
    (apologies if the formatting here is odd. The response form on this site doesn't work very well on an iPad)

     

      

  26. Morag says:

    I'd be very surprised if the SNP doesn't have something like that as part of its strategy for the campaign.  There's enough money to do a reasonable amount.
     
    The thing is, the SNP has some very bright people whose day job it is to figure out a strategic approach to all this.  So far they are doing extraordinarily well, admittedly in part by letting it be understood that certain moves which would benefit the unionists are the SNP's own preference – at which point the unionists denounce these things.  These guys' job is to wrap wet towels round their heads and figure it out.  We're just dabbling in the shallows.  I don't think they're going to miss many tricks.
     
    I also think if they're not reading these blogs and making notes, they should probably be fired.

      

  27. Morag says:

    The other thing is, bear in mind there are two and a half years to go.  It's not about who makes the most noise in the spring of 2012.  It's about who has made their case by autumn 2014.  At the moment I suspect the SNP strategy is to allow the unionists, who are currently doing a creditable impression of beached flounders, to fire all their scare-story ammunition at nothing.
     
    It's all going to look pretty tired and pretty stale in two years time, if it's all they've got against the poritive vision that is being presented by the independence campaign.

      

  28. DougtheDug says:

    A tweet from Torcuil Crichton. Does this count as double points for the Hitler square?

    Torcuil Torcuil Crichton
    Alan Taylor, whose Alex Salmond biog "Mein Banff" never made it to print, reviews @davidtorrance book on the man. bit.ly/xy85XT
    12 Jan

      

  29. molly says:

    o/t Furian,
    was it the 'national ' press spouting the meassages of 'doom' and if so ,how did you combat the media bias ?

      

  30. John White says:

    Marvellous. Perhaps there is a case for compiling the basket case economies that Unionist crystal ball gazers compare to the prospective independent Scotland to as well.
    eg Rifkind -Zimbabwe

      

  31. Morag says:

    Oooh, I can do that!  Was it George Robertson who compared Scotland to Albania?  And back in 1979 someone used Bangladesh, but I forget who.

      

  32. Morag says:

    Can we have Cochrane added to the Kim Jong-il tally, for his "Dear Leader" remarks?

      

  33. DJ says:

    "Dear Leader" is a label I'm surprised Mr Cochrane gets away with by The Telegraph editorial staff. It should certainly be scored off on the bingo card.

      

  34. DJ says:

    My apologies. Just noticed it is.

      

  35. Norrie says:

    Lord David Steel in the Telegraph today, Kin Jong -11.

      

  36. Thee Forsaken One says:

    I think Idi Amin has come up. I am certain I remember Johan Lamont or at least someone in the Labour benches saying to Alex Salmond something along the lines of "And we know what happened to the last person who said he was King of Scotland". I can't find it in the official report which is driving me mad. I know I heard it but sadly can't prove it.

      

  37. What a load of sycophantic mince.
    2 years to gerrymander a referendum Salmond has been planning for 20 years and youi're still going to lose.

      

  38. R Louis says:

    Hmm.  The First Minister has just been likened to shrek, in the Daily Torygraph.  Does that count?
     
     
     

      

  39. megabreath says:

    Yes-dont they hate this guy?what exactly is the problem?it may be that,as a very visible exemplar of the power of saying “NO” to the established order,Salmond reminds many of these critics of their own,unrealised,aspirations which have been buried under the weight of ambition.They hate him cause he reminds them if their own compromises?Well,something like that.

      

  40. ronald alexander mcdonald says:

    Johann Lamont.  The ultimate insult comparing AS to the promoter of  the something for nothing culture.  

      

  41. Jeannie says:

    @furian
    Just thanks.  My heart soared when I read your post.

      

  42. cath says:

    I’d missed that too Jeannie – wasn’t round here back then. Lovely post and should be widely shared.

      

  43. Jeannie says:

    This from Slobodan Salmon who supported Milosevic butchery in Balkans
    This from Denis MacShane who….(.according to Wikipedia), got fired from the BBC for identity falsification (allegedly), had to apologise for calling Hugo Chavez  a “ranting, populist demagogue” and comparing him to Mussolini, (and this while he, MacShane, was Minister for Latin America), and finally resigned as an MP after the House of Commons Standards and Privileges Committee said he had submitted 19 false invoices “plainly intended to deceive” the parliamentary expenses authority.
     
    You’d think he’d want to keep his head down after that, wouldn’t you?

      



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